diff --git a/apps/messagegui/ChangeLog b/apps/messagegui/ChangeLog
index 834d703ce..46634985a 100644
--- a/apps/messagegui/ChangeLog
+++ b/apps/messagegui/ChangeLog
@@ -84,3 +84,4 @@
 0.59: Ensure we do write messages if messages app can't be fast loaded (see #2373)
 0.60: Fix saving of removal messages if UI not open
 0.61: Fix regression where loading into messages app stops back from working (#2398)
+0.62: Remove '.show' field, tidyup and fix .open if fast load not enabled
diff --git a/apps/messagegui/app.js b/apps/messagegui/app.js
index 9f8a20219..b158310a1 100644
--- a/apps/messagegui/app.js
+++ b/apps/messagegui/app.js
@@ -72,10 +72,7 @@ var onMessagesModified = function(type,msg) {
 Bangle.on("message", onMessagesModified);
 
 function saveMessages() {
-  require("messages").write(MESSAGES.map(m => {
-    delete m.show;
-    return m;
-  }));
+  require("messages").write(MESSAGES);
 }
 E.on("kill", saveMessages);
 
@@ -116,11 +113,12 @@ function showMapMessage(msg) {
   Bangle.setUI({mode:"updown", back: back}, back); // any input takes us back
 }
 
-let updateLabelsInterval,
-  music = {artist: "", album: "", title: ""}; // defaults, so e.g. msg.title.length doesn't error
+let updateLabelsInterval;
+
 function showMusicMessage(msg) {
   active = "music";
-  msg = Object.assign(music, msg); // combine+remember "musicinfo" and "musicstate" messages
+  // defaults, so e.g. msg.xyz.length doesn't error. `msg` should contain up to date info
+  msg = Object.assign({artist: "", album: "", track: "Music"}, msg);
   openMusic = msg.state=="play";
   var trackScrollOffset = 0;
   var artistScrollOffset = 0;
@@ -349,6 +347,7 @@ function showMessage(msgid) {
   clockIfNoMsg : bool
   clockIfAllRead : bool
   showMsgIfUnread : bool
+  openMusic : bool      // open music if it's playing
 }
 */
 function checkMessages(options) {
@@ -364,12 +363,8 @@ function checkMessages(options) {
   }
   // we have >0 messages
   var newMessages = MESSAGES.filter(m=>m.new&&m.id!="music");
-  var toShow = MESSAGES.find(m=>m.show);
-  if (toShow) {
-    newMessages.unshift(toShow);
-  }
   // If we have a new message, show it
-  if ((toShow||options.showMsgIfUnread) && newMessages.length) {
+  if (options.showMsgIfUnread && newMessages.length) {
     delete newMessages[0].show; // stop us getting stuck here if we're called a second time
     showMessage(newMessages[0].id);
     // buzz after showMessage, so being busy during layout doesn't affect the buzz pattern
@@ -382,8 +377,8 @@ function checkMessages(options) {
     }
     return;
   }
-  // no new messages: show playing music? (only if we have playing music to show)
-  if (options.openMusic && MESSAGES.some(m=>m.id=="music" && m.track && m.state=="play"))
+  // no new messages: show playing music? Only if we have playing music, or state=="show" (set by messagesmusic)
+  if (options.openMusic && MESSAGES.some(m=>m.id=="music" && ((m.track && m.state=="play") || m.state=="show")))
     return showMessage('music');
   // no new messages - go to clock?
   if (options.clockIfAllRead && newMessages.length==0)
@@ -449,7 +444,9 @@ setTimeout(() => {
   if (!isFinite(settings.unreadTimeout)) settings.unreadTimeout=60;
   if (settings.unreadTimeout)
     unreadTimeout = setTimeout(load, settings.unreadTimeout*1000);
-  // only openMusic on launch if music is new
-  var newMusic = MESSAGES.some(m => m.id === "music" && m.new);
-  checkMessages({ clockIfNoMsg: 0, clockIfAllRead: 0, showMsgIfUnread: 1, openMusic: newMusic && settings.openMusic });
+  // only openMusic on launch if music is new, or state=="show" (set by messagesmusic)
+  var musicMsg = MESSAGES.find(m => m.id === "music");
+  checkMessages({
+    clockIfNoMsg: 0, clockIfAllRead: 0, showMsgIfUnread: 1,
+    openMusic: ((musicMsg&&musicMsg.new) && settings.openMusic) || (musicMsg&&musicMsg.state=="show") });
 }, 10); // if checkMessages wants to 'load', do that
diff --git a/apps/messagegui/boot.js b/apps/messagegui/boot.js
index 4592f825d..ce7f1b99c 100644
--- a/apps/messagegui/boot.js
+++ b/apps/messagegui/boot.js
@@ -1,3 +1 @@
-(function() {
-  Bangle.on("message", (type, msg) => require("messagegui").listener(type, msg));
-})();
\ No newline at end of file
+Bangle.on("message", (type, msg) => require("messagegui").listener(type, msg));
diff --git a/apps/messagegui/lib.js b/apps/messagegui/lib.js
index 57dc3c1e2..90791b5d6 100644
--- a/apps/messagegui/lib.js
+++ b/apps/messagegui/lib.js
@@ -1,3 +1,11 @@
+// Will calling Bangle.load reset everything? if false, we fast load
+function loadWillReset() {
+  return Bangle.load === load || !Bangle.uiRemove;
+    /* FIXME: Maybe we need a better way of deciding if an app will
+    be fast loaded than just hard-coding a Bangle.uiRemove check.
+    Bangle.load could return a bool (as the load doesn't happen immediately). */
+}
+
 /**
  * Listener set up in boot.js, calls into here to keep boot.js short
  */
@@ -26,11 +34,8 @@ exports.listener = function(type, msg) {
     if (Bangle.CLOCK && msg.state && msg.title && appSettings.openMusic) loadMessages = true;
     else return;
   }
-  if (Bangle.load === load || !Bangle.uiRemove) {
+  if (loadWillReset()) {
     // no fast loading: store message to flash
-    /* FIXME: Maybe we need a better way of deciding if an app will
-    be fast loaded than just hard-coding a Bangle.uiRemove check.
-    Bangle.load could return a bool (as the load doesn't happen immediately). */
     require("messages").save(msg);
   } else {
     if (!Bangle.MESSAGES) Bangle.MESSAGES = [];
@@ -79,11 +84,17 @@ exports.listener = function(type, msg) {
  * @param {object} msg
  */
 exports.open = function(msg) {
-  if (msg && msg.id && !msg.show) {
-    msg.show = 1;
-    if (Bangle.load === load) {
-      // no fast loading: store message to load in flash
+  if (msg && msg.id) {
+    // force a display by setting it as new and ensuring it ends up at the beginning of messages list
+    msg.new = 1;
+    if (loadWillReset()) {
+      // no fast loading: store message to load in flash - `msg` will be put in first
       require("messages").save(msg, {force: 1});
+    } else {
+      // fast load - putting it at the end of Bangle.MESSAGES ensures it goes at the start of messages list
+      if (!Bangle.MESSAGES) Bangle.MESSAGES=[];
+      Bangle.MESSAGES = Bangle.MESSAGES.filter(m => m.id!=msg.id)
+      Bangle.MESSAGES.push(msg); // putting at the
     }
   }
 
diff --git a/apps/messagegui/metadata.json b/apps/messagegui/metadata.json
index 811f9baff..270d80543 100644
--- a/apps/messagegui/metadata.json
+++ b/apps/messagegui/metadata.json
@@ -2,7 +2,7 @@
   "id": "messagegui",
   "name": "Message UI",
   "shortName": "Messages",
-  "version": "0.61",
+  "version": "0.62",
   "description": "Default app to display notifications from iOS and Gadgetbridge/Android",
   "icon": "app.png",
   "type": "app",
diff --git a/apps/messages/lib.js b/apps/messages/lib.js
index a710c81c4..f301a91cd 100644
--- a/apps/messages/lib.js
+++ b/apps/messages/lib.js
@@ -72,7 +72,7 @@ exports.apply = function(event, messages) {
     messages.splice(mIdx, 1);
   } else if (event.t==="add") {
     if (mIdx>=0) messages.splice(mIdx, 1); // duplicate ID! erase previous version
-    messages.unshift(event);
+    messages.unshift(event); // add at the beginning
   } else if (event.t==="modify") {
     if (mIdx>=0) messages[mIdx] = Object.assign(messages[mIdx], event);
     else messages.unshift(event);
diff --git a/apps/messagesmusic/ChangeLog b/apps/messagesmusic/ChangeLog
index 8cc3079a3..cd1c49b60 100644
--- a/apps/messagesmusic/ChangeLog
+++ b/apps/messagesmusic/ChangeLog
@@ -2,4 +2,5 @@
 0.02: Remove one line of code that didn't do anything other than in some instances hinder the function of the app.
 0.03: Use the new messages library
 0.04: Fix dependency on messages library
-      Fix loading message UI
\ No newline at end of file
+      Fix loading message UI
+0.05: Ensure we don't clear artist info
diff --git a/apps/messagesmusic/app.js b/apps/messagesmusic/app.js
index 26fedecc1..68e88c2d8 100644
--- a/apps/messagesmusic/app.js
+++ b/apps/messagesmusic/app.js
@@ -1 +1,2 @@
-setTimeout(()=>require('messages').openGUI({"t":"add","artist":" ","album":" ","track":" ","dur":0,"c":-1,"n":-1,"id":"music","title":"Music","state":"play","new":true}));
+// don't define artist/etc here so we don't wipe them out of memory if they were stored from before
+setTimeout(()=>require('messages').openGUI({"t":"add","id":"music","state":"show","new":true}));
diff --git a/apps/messagesmusic/metadata.json b/apps/messagesmusic/metadata.json
index 22e0eff52..eef528f55 100644
--- a/apps/messagesmusic/metadata.json
+++ b/apps/messagesmusic/metadata.json
@@ -1,7 +1,8 @@
 {
   "id": "messagesmusic",
   "name":"Messages Music",
-  "version":"0.04",
+  "shortName": "Music",
+  "version":"0.05",
   "description": "Uses Messages library to push a music message which in turn displays Messages app music controls",
   "icon":"app.png",
   "type": "app",